Curse

Fay Vert · Jan 02, 2010, 01:21 AM // 01:21

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Originally Posted by arielmt

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Originally Posted by Paradise Lost
There needs to be a way to de-link your gw account your from ncsoft master account!

Not possible.

We were told it is not possible by proven and persistant liars.

Hippie408 · Jan 02, 2010, 01:24 AM // 01:24

Easy solution.

For changing settings/pass/etc. on NCsoft, make it require your current password to change stuff.

Simple as that until they get a fix.

Bob Slydell · Jan 02, 2010, 01:26 AM // 01:26

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Originally Posted by Fay Vert

We were told it is not possible by proven and persistant liars.

True. They do say a lot of things are impossible, but truely... nothing is impossible when it comes to servers/databases/computers. It probably takes less than 3 seconds to remove a GW account from an NCSoft account. But for some reason, they won't do it. Just like how they won't restore a 1 KB line of text that makes your very GW character possible to exist.

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Originally Posted by Hippie408

Easy solution.

For changing settings/pass/etc. on NCsoft, make it require your current password to change stuff.

Simple as that until they get a fix.

Woah Woah now..back it down a bit...you don't understand, this solution makes WAYYYY toooooo much sense.

Trx · Jan 02, 2010, 01:27 AM // 01:27

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The Hall of Monuments thing was undoubtedly a way for ANet to attempt to maintain customer loyalty because of their longer-than-anticipated development for Guild Wars 2. However, the HoM does imply some player database linkage between GW1 and GW2, and I for one, will be very concerned how that is handled... if I even bother to play GW2 since I'm currently in the waiting-to-be-hacked mode becuase of my mysteriously compromised master account security. Changing my master and game account passwords multiple times hasn't made me feel any better.

I hadn't even thought about HoM linking GW2 to my GW1 account and thus most likely also to the NCSoft master account. So much for a fresh start with GW2 when it comes to keeping it away from the terrible NCSoft site.

And all of this because they forced many of us that hadn't done so before to register at NCSoft for a single lousy storage tab. I would never have done so otherwise

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The Last Battle · Jan 02, 2010, 01:28 AM // 01:28

yes the change password system is idiotic to say the least..

arielmt · Jan 02, 2010, 01:35 AM // 01:35

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Originally Posted by Trx

I hadn't even thought about HoM linking GW2 to my GW1 account and thus most likely also to the NCSoft master account. So much for a fresh start with GW2 when it comes to keeping it away from the terrible NCSoft site.

And all of this because they forced many of us that hadn't done so before to register at NCSoft for a single lousy storage tab. I would never have done so otherwise

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The only way to avoid being linked is to purchase GW2 off the shelf (never mind preview or pre-order via the online store), use completely separate login credentials, and NEVER link your HoM. So much for the work you put in on GW1, eh?

genofreek · Jan 02, 2010, 01:36 AM // 01:36

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Originally Posted by arielmt

In the meantime, if you have old/solved support tickets containing your IGN and/or game keys, you should absolutely change the password to the support section of the site so that viewing the case history requires a separate login from you master NCSoft account.

Not sure if I ever did, but just to be safe, I'm taking every step possible. I've already removed everything sensitive I had in my profile that I could, apparently my name is locked in, but I'm not sure how to change the support password. Where do I go for that?

e: I can't believe you can just change an entire account's information just like that with no knowledge of the password needed at all. Maybe on some 13 year old's first attempt at a forum, but holy god this is a major game company's website.

Bob Slydell · Jan 02, 2010, 01:39 AM // 01:39

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Originally Posted by Trx

I hadn't even thought about HoM linking GW2 to my GW1 account and thus most likely also to the NCSoft master account. So much for a fresh start with GW2 when it comes to keeping it away from the terrible NCSoft site.

And all of this because they forced many of us that hadn't done so before to register at NCSoft for a single lousy storage tab. I would never have done so otherwise

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If...now..that is a BIG IF by the time GW2 comes out, now lets think for a moment. GW2 is coming out in 2011..it's not going to come out on 1/1/2011..it will come later in that year, hell we don't even know when in 2011 it comes out. 2010 just began so at the LEAST we still have one solid year to see what happens to NCSoft security. If by the time GW2 comes out things are still the same I'm more then likely going to just create a single GW2 account fresh just to make sure it is never linked to an NC account. Yes, I will buy GW2 because I've come this far in GW1. I've already practiced the utmost extreme account security in this game in all forms you could imagine, except the NCsoft part. So..GW2..my account is starting fresh and I don't give a good fat damn about the HoM. Woo big ******* deal you grind your ass off for years in GW1 to get some stupid sword or minipet that flashes your e-peen off that you did what I just stated (grinded) and for that matter played GW1 and have the noobs ask you where you got it and how they can get it. As of now...FOR NOW, a new fresh game account for GW2 is in my book until they figure out what the hell is going on, who the hell let this happen and FIRE those utter MORONS.

Most interesting situation for a game I have ever heard of or have ever seen in my life. I gave you credit for keeping me astonished and entertained NCSoft, GREAT job.

Trx · Jan 02, 2010, 01:42 AM // 01:42

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Originally Posted by arielmt

The only way to avoid being linked is to purchase GW2 off the shelf (never mind preview or pre-order via the online store), use completely separate login credentials, and NEVER link your HoM. So much for the work you put in on GW1, eh?

Exactly. And my account was unlinked (storebought) for years until I needed to register for the free storage tab ...

@Chrisworld, I agree, I would also rather have a clean GW2 then have it linked to the HoM. I don't care about it that much, but still all most of us do these days PvE-wise is work on the bloody thing, would have been nice to have it in GW2 without the link to NCSoft being forced with it (all of this assuming that is the case, which seems pretty likely).

DragonRogue · Jan 02, 2010, 01:43 AM // 01:43

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Originally Posted by arielmt

The only way to avoid being linked is to purchase GW2 off the shelf (never mind preview or pre-order via the online store), use completely separate login credentials, and NEVER link your HoM. So much for the work you put in on GW1, eh?

Well this is a comforting thought. Great!

And Bunnys post link from [email protected]... How the hell can you create a website and not TEST its security issues before you implement it on this grand of scale?!?!?!??!? Great business practices i see here. This just says to me that you dont care about your player base what-so-ever and if they have to go buy another game because they got hacked...who the hell cares...its just more money in their pocket. With this knowlegde...who cares about the HoM? Who will bother to waste their money on something that can be taken away so easily? Who will bother buying your games now? Might as well just throw your hard earned cash down the toilet. Will save you the thousands of hours wasted just to be disappointed later down the road.

Emperor Bush · Jan 02, 2010, 01:46 AM // 01:46

Wtt my free storage tab for an unlinked ncsoft account

Enko · Jan 02, 2010, 01:50 AM // 01:50

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Originally Posted by zelgadissan

Link please? All I'm seeing about this is from Gaile. All I've seen from Regina is about the hats.

my mistake. it was a wiki post by Gaile who said she's been talking to Regina about this issue.

Fay Vert · Jan 02, 2010, 01:55 AM // 01:55

I'm willing to bet it will not be possible to play GW2 without an NC master account. There will be no choice like GW1, everything has been geared to getting people to link for a long time, they won't unlink simply because that is not the business model, linking is how they will make money.

Hippie408 · Jan 02, 2010, 01:56 AM // 01:56

You guys shouldn't blame much on Guild Wars, but more on NCSoft for not having common sense. They need to make it so entering current password is needed to change things.

arielmt · Jan 02, 2010, 01:57 AM // 01:57

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Originally Posted by genofreek

Not sure if I ever did, but just to be safe, I'm taking every step possible. I've already removed everything sensitive I had in my profile that I could, apparently my name is locked in, but I'm not sure how to change the support password. Where do I go for that?

e: I can't believe you can just change an entire account's information just like that with no knowledge of the password needed at all. Maybe on some 13 year old's first attempt at a forum, but holy god this is a major game company's website.

Login to your NCSoft master account at http://us.ncsoft.com/en/. Once logged in, click the Support tab on the top of the screen, this transfers you to the http://help.ncsoft.com site. Then click on the My Stuff tab and login. Whatever support cases you have will be displayed and from there you can change your password to the support site by clicking the Change Password button.

Or you can just access the support site directly, either way, make sure your passwords for the two sites aren't the same.

Enko · Jan 02, 2010, 01:57 AM // 01:57

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Originally Posted by Fay Vert

I'm willing to bet it will not be possible to play GW2 without an NC master account. There will be no choice like GW1, everything has been geared to getting people to link for a long time, they won't unlink simply because that is not the business model, linking is how they will make money.

then they can count on a lot of people not buying gw2 until we get some kind of assurance that their massive security holes have been plugged.

oh well, Champions Online, STO, and The Old Republic are calling me.

Cacheelma · Jan 02, 2010, 02:02 AM // 02:02

Regarding GW2 and buying off the shelf: You don't know for sure if they're not gonna adopt the same method they use for Aion: You MUST register your game account through NCSoft master account. It doesn't matter where you buy the game from.

AnClar · Jan 02, 2010, 02:09 AM // 02:09

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Originally Posted by zelgadissan

new gaile update (http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/feedb...ster_account):

edit: Further down the page, on a request to at least temporarily close down the plaync website's access to accounts:

oh for freaks sake!!! Shut down the plaync site until you get this fixed!!!!!!!! The hell wiith channels and protocol. Be safe first and fix later!!!!!!!

Bob Slydell · Jan 02, 2010, 02:09 AM // 02:09

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Originally Posted by Cacheelma

Regarding GW2 and buying off the shelf: You don't know for sure if they're not gonna adopt the same method they use for Aion: You MUST register your game account through NCSoft master account. It doesn't matter where you buy the game from.

Well we'll see when the time comes. When I bought GW in early 06' I just made the account in the GW client without any knowledge of NCSoft even being a company. But you are right, Aion is new and GW2 will be even newer, newer requirements and practices.

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Originally Posted by AnClar

oh for freaks sake!!! Shut down the plaync site until you get this fixed!!!!!!!! The hell wiith channels and protocol. Be safe first and fix later!!!!!!!

What if it disappears forever like XTH!

Faer · Jan 02, 2010, 02:11 AM // 02:11

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Originally Posted by zelgadissan

New Gaile update (http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Feedb...ster_account)::

"experienced crew"

Let us stop for a second and think: would that be the same crew that told her to tell us multiple times that there was absolutely no flaw on their end? The same "experienced crew" who insisted everything was fine, even when the community was proving through action and example that there was a severe problem with security?

If so, it sounds like they need to become experienced in being unemployed.